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Suicide and life through the rearview mirror

May 12th 2008 01:46
Give yourself every chance to complete your life portrait
I've made some mistakes in my life!

We all have. That's (as they say) how we learn.

Some mistakes have been honest - and some well - yet all of them (no matter how big or small) take us to where we are in the here and now.


Life really is a series of victories and defeats. Sometimes we win - sometimes we lose - and sometimes it's hard just staying in the game.

A couple of weeks ago - I lost a mate to suicide.

Surreal and empty – the hollow heart and headspace that ensues cannot adequately be described – yet in my mind’s eye a vision of Hiroshima followed figurately by the personal aftershocks is the closest I can come to explaining the enormity of the news.

His wider circle of friends (be they sporting, social, school or business) didn’t of course perceive the dark consequences – let alone have an inkling – of the demons which must’ve been unsettling and ultimately ruling his destiny.

Nothing I, nor any of us say or do will bring him back – but of course we choose to remember our mate with a fondness – the mischievous nature of his early years, his cheeky larconic smile and butter would never melt in his mouth attitude, his sense of the here and now - will live on.

That to our knowledge - it is either sad or with a false sense of gallantry that he couldn’t (or chose not to) confide in anyone and talk through his circumstances that start to reflect just how important it is to have ‘close’ relationships – open and never damning relationships – people with whom you have no façade – and who are not simply a veneer in the good times and invisible in the bad.


I realize the topic is not pleasant nor my usual tome – but it is important – and is part of not only a healing process for me personally – but also a reminder to those of you reading right now – that life is fragile, life is more than deadlines and business meetings, more than that new plasma screen - it’s about family, friends and the people that go to make up who you are.

. . . and give yourself every chance to finish life’s self-portrait.

We’ll miss you mate.
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Comment by Cibbuano

May 12th 2008 02:12
you're right, this isn't in your usual tone... but it's nice to get a glimpse into the human emotions of people you've only met through scattered words on the internet.

"also a reminder to those of you reading right now – that life is fragile, life is more than deadlines and business meetings, more than that new plasma screen - it’s about family, friends and the people that go to make up who you are. "

even if we say this, do we really know it?


Comment by Louie

May 12th 2008 02:18
Sorry for you r loss
that life is fragile, life is more than deadlines and business meetings, more than that new plasma screen - it’s about family, friends and the people that go to make up who you are.


so so true, we all need a reminder every now and then


Comment by Lilla

May 12th 2008 02:31
Sorry for the loss and helplessness it causes MNG,

it is either sad or a false sense of gallantry that he couldn’t (or chose not to) confide in anyone and talk through his circumstances that start to reflect just how important it is to have ‘close’ relationships – open and never damning relationships – people with whom you have no façade – and who are not simply a veneer in the good times and invisible in the bad.

Could we have known?

Could I have made a difference if only I had noticed "something" (anything) of a clue, last time I saw him?

Probably not, because you would have, right?

Comment by Michaelie

May 12th 2008 02:40
So sad to hear this, MNG.

Mich

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 02:50
Cib

I was torn as to whether to share this at all - selfish - perhaps - necessary - definitely.

- and no - some of us never really know it.

Every friend represents a world within us.

Cheers

MNG


Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 02:52
Louie

Reality checks are cruel - it's both tragic (but at the same time imperitive) they make their presence felt.

MNG

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 02:58
Lilla

So many friends - yet so few really true connections I suspect.

It's so much more a testosterone based mantra (the inability to share) your worries and concerns don't you think.

It's one of those area's which doesn't receive the support it should and the attitudinal change - men are tough, men need to bottle it up - a man just deals with it - right?

Thanks

MNG

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 03:02
Mich

(Insert name here) was known to me from school days - but most recently via the sporting field and those social events which eminate from it.

Our loss - has been felt by many.

Apologies for promoting such an out of character post - but sometimes things just need to be done.

Thanks

MNG

Comment by Tracy

May 12th 2008 03:46
Hello MNG

My thoughts are with you and your friend's family,

Tracy

Comment by James Rickard

May 12th 2008 04:04
My thoughts are with you, my friend.

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 04:52
Thanks Tracy

It came as a shock of course - the reasons even now are now patently clear.

My thoughts too are with his family.

MNG

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 04:57
Thanks to you too James

The trauma that his brothers and father and closest of kin must be going through is well - unimaginable.

We all lurch from day to day sometimes - but to get to that point . . . .

So many will miss his ways.

Cheers

Comment by RubySoho

May 12th 2008 06:33
MNG, I think I know exactly how you are feeling. It's been ten years and I still think of him. But now I smile instead of cry...well sometimes I still cry...but I'll never forget that's for sure.

Thanks for sharing.

Ruby

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 06:54
Ruby

Thank you for sharing.

MNG

Comment by Morgan Bell

May 12th 2008 07:15
being materialistic is always disappointing, enough is never enough, when you chase money in an effort to buy happiness you only neglect the things that make life worthwhile . . . people

thanks for sharing your story, it is good to read a wake up call every now and then

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 07:20
Morgan

While I'm sure that's true (and it is) - it wasn't the case in this point.

Don't be too hasty when you go about chasing all the world has to offer I say - it has a way of catching you sometimes.

Stay well

Comment by Johnny Come Lately

May 12th 2008 07:24
A reminder of how fragile life is. Very sorry for your loss.

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 07:28
JCL

So very right.

Appreciate you sentiments.

MNG

Comment by JohnDoe

May 12th 2008 07:42
Just letting you know I'm here MNG.

Comment by Mountain Fog

May 12th 2008 07:43
I have lost two people I was in love with, to suicide, and numerous friends, of course, some 'accidents' may not have been quite so accidental...

It is shocking and terrible, and I know the emotions you have been experiencing very well MNG.

All I can say is, your friend has found peace at last.

He did not do this to hurt others, even though that is what happens, he just found himself at a place where there ceased to be any other choices, death seeming to be the obvious and best solution.

This is not an act of cowardice, nor hatred, although some may argue that it is hatred of the self.

However, most people do not understand the psyche of the suicide's mind, only those who have seriously tried it, and went through with it, have some chance of true empathic understanding. (A clinical understanding of it is quite different, to my mind.)

I did. I survived, obviously, and I did not attempt it to garner sympathy, support or to harm others emotionally, it was just a total closing down, a cease to exist mind set, where no other thoughts could enter, a dark place, of no light.

cheers MNG, and know you are appreciated and that your friend's inner turmoil is now at rest. You are coping with it well, by the words I read here, and it is the best medicine of all, to think not of his death, but what good his life brought others.

fog

Comment by samaritan

May 12th 2008 08:07
I'm very sorry for your loss. It must be a terrible thing to lose a friend to suicide. When I was in high school, a student committed suicide. On the afternoon that he did it, he asked me for some chewing gum. I remember thinking afterwards should I have known? Was that some funny message in asking for chewing gum that I should have picked up on? Of course, there wasn't. He was just asking for chewing gum. Suicide, I think, is one of the saddest things ever.

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 08:11
JD

Thanks buddy.

MNG

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 08:16
Fog

You are indeed a learned, insigtful and compassionate human being.

MNG




Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 08:20
Samaritan

I had not seen XX for several weeks prior - but appeared in good spirts at the time - upbeat and jocular in his own way.

So many questions . . .

Cheers

MNG

Comment by Cheryl J

May 12th 2008 11:28
MNG, you shouldn't feel the need to apologise for posting something that varies from the norm. Sometimes things need to be shared.

It is very rare for people to know when someone is suicidal. As you said above your friend appeared upbeat which happens often when people have already made the decision. They know they have found a way to end their pain and so feel better. It's ironic and terribly sad.

My heart goes out to you, your friend's family and all of those who were touched by this tragedy.

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 13:34
Cheryl J

Your words - somehow have a softness to them which are tinged with a calming empathy.

Thank you.

MNG

Comment by Anonymous

May 12th 2008 15:38
I am sorry to hear about your mate.
It is always sad to hear about people in so much pain.


Comment by Joseph R. Terrazzino

May 12th 2008 21:07
Hey There,

Sorry about the loss. I lost a distant cousin this way. Owen Wilson most recently took a turn at it. That is the scary truth of depression: it hides within many of us one might not expect it to have gained entrance.

Good point in stressing the need for close, non-damning relationships. Even online buddies--faceless, accepting, non-judgemental avatars in the internet abyss. Probably the best to confide in.

I say pray for him, remember him, and forgive him. Forgive yourself. Whichever act applies. Pain begets in the act of suicide. But it's no one's fault.

Life is sometimes unbearable.

Brave post, my friend.


Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 22:46
Anon

Hopefully - the torment for him is over.

Cheers

MNG

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 22:49
Joseph

Salient and compassionate words - my thanks to you and all who have spoken with so much empathy and understanding.

Cheers

MNG

Comment by DuskDevi

May 12th 2008 23:19
MNG...

Thinking of all of you who feel his loss.

Dusk

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 12th 2008 23:25
Dusk

Thank you.

MNG

Comment by B7

May 13th 2008 08:08
I lost my little brother to suicide 3 months ago. He was bright and happy, funny and larger than life. None of us EVER expected to lose him this way. Thank you for your brave and touching words, the Hiroshima analogy describes my experience perfectly. I've lost 4 people to suicide, including my cousin. The dust is starting to settle now, life is starting to look a little like it did before he died. But the longing is still there.

I'm so sorry for your loss, may we always remember them.

Comment by Mrs M

May 13th 2008 14:17
Hi MNG,

So very sorry for your loss.

About 12 years ago a family friend (he was 17) committed suicide. His parents and others alike couldn't understand why he did it. I did understand.

I didn't know him very well. He lived a few streets away and we went to the same school but he was a couple of years younger. He was a very quiet guy. Outwardly he seemed like the dutiful son.

The thing about suicide is, (I'm no expert) is that if someone says, "I'm feeling suicidal" they have found the courage to seek help, and maybe there's a glimmer of hope.

I can only imagine that if someone goes through with it, it's because they see no light at the end of the tunnel.

And how do you know who is suicidal? You don't.

I don't know.

Does your friend have a wife/partner, kids?

Love & stuff
Mrs M

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 13th 2008 23:12
B7

My thoughts go to you and your family. Losing a brother is something I simply cannot imagine - the hardship and ongoing hurt has to be tempered with remembering the good times and the smiles I know - but it's hard isn't it?

Stay well and thank you for sharing.

MNG

Comment by Mr Nice Guy

May 13th 2008 23:19
Mrs M

Thankyou.

As a matter of fact he did. A partner and three kids - which makes it all the more tragic.

No words are ever completely consoling and time passes just too slowly to thoroughly heal the wounds -
as we in the mortal world are simply left with the hurt and question 'why'.

Your thoughts are appreciated.

MNG

Comment by Miswanderlust

May 17th 2008 02:46
MNG
I am so very sorry friend that this has happened. Sometimes a depressed person plans a suicide in advance. Many times, though, suicide attempts happen impulsively, in a moment of feeling desperately upset. A situation like a financial difficulties, relational issues, career uncertainties, or myriad of other concerns may cause someone to feel desperately upset. Often, a situation like this, on top of an existing depression, acts like the final straw.

Some people who attempt suicide mean to die and some don't. For some, a suicide attempt is a way to express deep emotional pain. They can’t say how they feel, so, for them, attempting suicide feels like the only way to get their message across. Sadly, even when a suicide attempt is a cry for help and the person doesn’t mean to die, there’s no way to control it. Many people who die really didn’t mean to kill themselves.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your friend's family.
Mis

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